The reason, Jim, I became an architect, or I wanted to be an architect was simply because I was an engineer first. And being an engineer, I had lots of good jobs up in the woods and in very...
I do want to point out one thing, which I think is absolutely crucial to this interview, that notwithstanding that we鈥檙e sitting in New York, Jim, and I say Jim Donaldson of course. If the camera...